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With all due respect, I disagree in part and point out that this sort of posturing has always been a part of politics. Did Hamilton, Jefferson, or Madison really shock anyone with the arguments they made considering their positions? Lincoln or Douglas? The Black Panthers or the NAACP? "Don't ask, don't tell" folks or "Same Sex Unions Now" folks? This kind of "normalization" in arguments is as old as the ideas of self-rule and Republics. Exposure was dangerous then and it is still dangerous now but only if the sovereigns of this system make it so. We've done so for the last 250 years and can again.

Systems neither send invitations nor control weather or not windows are opened or closed. The people working and living in those systems control that, especially in a place where "the People" are the actual sovereigns. Ideas need to be put forth and then taken to the public for action. I agree that the shit that happens online is a masquerade that pretends to do this but I think that it continues because far too many of us are told that there is no real way to make it stop.

I'd argue that a part of the reason why we got to this place in our body politic is through the complacency of the People as sovereigns. I'd also argue that continually telling them that nothing matters and leaving them with unabashed nihilism as the only and predestined outcome in argument after argument is one of the reasons why, even though our ideas have broad popularity, the left and center-left lose so often in this country.

I leave by asking a question for Mr. Del Monte and do so sincerely: what is the solution? You've been there; how do we fix it in both the immediate and in the long run? Instead of just leaving us with a sense of "nothing matters," how about leaving us with a, "but if we do this, this, and this, then we can..." sort of answer.

I was 19 when the Cold War ended and I've spent much of my adult life watching good ideas fail because the folks who sell them to the public (and that's why it is called "the marketplace of ideas") do a shit job of selling them and then far too often insult the very public that they are trying to help. Let's get over that shit and actually try to fix things.

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While there is perhaps empathy and agreement with portions or lines in the post, what are we to conclude!? So we just give up!? Congress continues to allow these traitors to wreck the country in real time. The typical " response" is words and outrage. Where is the coalition for action to hold these idiots to account!? Where is our collective moral courage to do the hard but needed yes for Democracy!?

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